BYE BYE BOBBIE
Jodi: Well, looking back, I see it was a pattern almost from the beginning; but I didn’t notice it until later… later being later on in the relationship. It seemed like when he had somebody there to provide for him, he didn’t need me or want me but when someone wasn’t there or he needed clothes, he was trying to make the relationship work.
Willmott: And when he tried to make the relationship work, is that something that you went along with?
Jodi: Yes, I did.
Willmott: You said you broke up and got back together several different times?
Willmott: Was there a time when you broke up with him completely?
Willmott: And approximately when is this?
Jodi: This was late 1999.
Willmott: So late 1999, you would have been 19?
Jodi: There was a break-up. At Denny’s I built up vacation time. So I decided to use that. I went back to Costa Rica to heal from the break-up, just to get away from everything. So I spent eight days there with the family. Victor had moved out and moved on. He was doing other things. I was with the family and hanging out and trying to heal; go to the beach and…
Victor has moved out of his family’s home at this point and Jodi claims she’s going to Costa Rica to visit his family, not him. Does anybody really believe that? She can’t say she’s going to visit Victor because that falls right in line with her pattern of jumping from guy to guy. Her and Bobby split, and she was back in Victor’s bed in no time.
Willmott: Did you go to kind of clear your head?
Willmott: And what were you thinking about? When you say clear your head, what were you thinking about?
Jodi: Well, I was… there was a lot of pain in the relationship and things we had been through. It was kind of processing. It was meditative in a way. There wasn’t a whole lot of activity like when I was 17, we went to all the tourist spots. It was more educational. This was more relaxing.
Willmott: So what happened? So you come back from Costa Rica?
Willmott: Did you make a decision about your relationship with Bobbie?
Jodi: Yes, we were broken up.
Willmott: Did you intend to keep it that way?
Let me translate – did you try your very best not to stalk him? It’s almost laughable how obvious these questions are. The whole world knows that Jodi is an obsessive girlfriend, that she can’t let things go. But Willmott is, not very successfully in my opinion, trying to use this as an example of Jodi practicing self-control and walking away.
Jodi: Yes, I had not planned to contact him.
Willmott: What happened?
Jodi: I came back to work at Denny’s where I was working, and I was just working my shift. I went in the back for something. I came back out. There are counters in the front where the swinging door is from the back. When I came out, he was sitting right on the first seat there with this puppy dog look on his face, like his head in his hands kind of thing.
Willmott: Was he just waiting for you?
Willmott: Did you end up speaking with him?
Willmott: And how did that conversation go?
Jodi: It was emotional. I was coming up on my break. So he waited and we left the building and we went outside to the parking lot to my car to talk and there were tears and he missed me and I missed him. I guess so we ended up… I don’t know that we actually got back together. This was very much towards the end, but we continued to see each other.
Willmott: At this point in time where were you living?
Jodi: I believe I was with my grandma at this point. Yeah, I think I was living with my grandma.
Willmott: Other than this back and forth with you and Bobbie, was there ever a point in time when he was actually physical with you?
Jodi: Yes, one time.
Willmott: And as far as when we are talking timeline, when does that happen.
Jodi: This was also late 1999. I don’t recall the exact month, but it might have been around October and I was at my… I was at my friend’s house. I forgot. I was living at this girl’s house, just staying there. I stayed there a few months. So at this point I’m at her house and… this is in Montague as well. He as over there visiting. There was no one else home, just him and I. We got into an argument.
Willmott: What happened in the argument?
Jodi: The argument, he…
Willmott: Was he yelling?
Jodi He was yelling. He was very dramatic. He is very emotionally deep. He was just being himself, and we were arguing; and he approached me and he spun me around and he got me into a choke hold.
Willmott: He had his arm around your throat?
Jodi: I think both arms. I don’t really know how to do a choke hold but he does. So he did that.
Willmott: Why does he know how to do a choke hold?
Jodi: He was in Martial Arts and that sort of thing.
Willmott: You said he came up to you and he spun you around?
Jodi: Yes, he just took my shoulders and spun me around so my back was to him.
Willmott: What were you expecting? Do you remember… do you have a memory of what you thought was going to happen when he spun you around?
Jodi: Yeah. I mean, we had made up after arguments before and he was nice. He had never been physical with me before. So I was thinking he was going to hug me or something and instead he choked me.
If they were really having a heated fight, why would she have the expectation that he’s going to hug her? Her stories simply lack all common sense, which seems to support that they are just stories and not actually the truth.
Willmott: What happened when he choked you? Do you remember it?
Jodi: Yeah, he squeezed really hard and he let go; and I fell to my knees. Very, very light headed. I almost passed out but I didn’t.
Willmott: What was going through your head at that point in time?
Jodi: I was kind of mad.
Kind of mad? Does that seem like a reasonable response to being choked to the point of almost passing out? Again, nonsensical.
Jodi: I thought you just choked me. I was a little bit mad. I was stunned. He had never done that before. So I turned around and followed him out of the living room and said something… I don’t remember what I said… something to the effect that my family would be very upset if they knew what you just did. It wasn’t that but it was…
Willmott: Jodi, let me ask you this: He just choked you and you followed him out?
Jodi: Well, we were in this house. The living room is right outside the bedroom. So you know… he went to the living room and I went to the living room.
Willmott: So then what happens?
Jodi: At that point he approached me again, and he got me into some kind of hold. I don’t recall like how it was, but it was… he had my arm and he was placing pressure on my forearm: and it seemed intention was to break it.
Willmott: Because of the pressure that he was placing?
Jodi: Right, the way he was holding it. The way he was putting the pressure on it.
Willmott: At this point in time do you remember what was going on through your head?
Jodi: Well, the phone was like not 5 or 6 feet away. So that was my intention.
Willmott: What did you do?
Jodi: I somehow squirmed over to the phone and managed to grab it. We were both trying to grab it. I grabbed it and I turned it on and I called 911.
Willmott: Is this a cell phone or home phone?
Jodi: A portable home phone.
Jodi: He grabbed the phone from me and hung it up.
Willmott: Okay. Did they ever call back?
Jodi: Yeah. He was telling me to shut up because at that point I was crying. He kept telling me to shut up because they were going to call back. Maybe a few seconds later, a minute… not even a minute later the phone rang. He answered and he talked to the operator and he told her everything was fine. It was just a mistake.
Willmott: Do you know if the police ever showed up?
Jodi: I don’t… I mean, we left.
Willmott: I was going to say, why don’t you know?
Jodi: Yeah, we left. We were leaving. He didn’t have a ride. So I took him where he needed to go.
She has to say she left because of course the police would have come to the house to check it out. They always do. If Jodi was that terrified and upset that she called 911, she wouldn’t simply get in a car with him and leave.
Willmott: After all this, you took him? You just didn’t leave him?
Jodi: You know, I don’t know actually… I know he left and we both left. I’m sorry. He may have walked away or he may have gotten in my car with me. I don’t remember.
This is not a mundane detail and one that somebody should remember! If your typically non-violent boyfriend just tried to choke you and you almost passed out, and then you called the police – you would remember how you each left the scene that day. To me, this is a clear sign that there are parts of this story that aren’t true.
Also, the fact that the details of this story are almost an exact replica of the story she tells with Travis, is not a coincidence. She’s making stories up on the fly and that’s why there are commonalities. She accused both men, Bobby and Travis, of suddenly becoming violent after initially having a loving, non-violent relationship with them. They both choked her suddenly and she forgave them both. I think she has wildly exaggerated these situations to gain sympathy from family members.
Willmott: But did you stay at the house?
Jodi: No, not that time.
Willmott: You said this was a house… a friend’s house that you had just been staying at briefly?
Willmott: Did you have any idea what the address was?
Jodi: No, I didn’t get any mail there.
Willmott: And after you were arrested and this case was pending, did you have any idea what that address was?
Jodi: No. I mean, I could drive to the house. I know where it is, but I don’t know the address.
Willmott: You didn’t know… you didn’t have the actual physical address of it, right?
Jodi: No, I don’t.
Willmott: After this happens with Bobbie, did you tell anybody?
Jodi: Yes, I did.
Willmott: Who did you tell?
Jodi: I told my parents.
Willmott: And okay and anybody else?
Willmott: Well, after you told your parents, did anybody else find out?
Jodi: I guess they told my brother Carl.
Willmott: Why do you guess that?
Jodi: Because he got a little gang of his friends and they went over to Bobbie’s house and confronted him.
Willmott: Carl and a little gang of his friends, was one of his friends named Kellan (phonetic)?
Willmott: Did you know Kellan?
Jodi: I did know him… not very well but I knew he was a friend of my brother’s .
Willmott: And did Kellan, was he in high school when you were…
Jodi: Right, he was a grade younger… a grade below mine and my brother. My brother was only one grade below me. So they were in the same grade.
Willmott: So your brother Carl and Kellan, were there other boys involved that you knew of?
Jodi: There were other boys involved to my understanding.
Willmott: What did they do?
Martinez: OBJECTION. Lack of foundation – to my understanding. How does she know?
Willmott: What did they do?
Jodi: They went to…
Martinez: Same objection. Lack of foundation.
Willmott: Her answer was not in relation to that question.
Court: Overruled. You may answer.
Jodi: They went to Bobbie’s house.
Martinez: Objection. Foundation. They went to Bobbie’s house.
Willmott: Judge, may we approach?
Martinez says to the Judge that he wants to know how Jodi knows this information about her brother and his friends. Willmott says she will ask her.
At this point in testimony, they take a break and discuss the fact that the attorney for the press has requested the closed chambers hearing record.
Court: Let’s take up the issue of the transcript of the hearing conducted in chambers. The attorney for the press has requested it. Thinking about it, my suggestion is that I enter an order that the transcript be prepared under seal and provided directly to the Court of Appeals in the event there is a special action filed. So it would not go to anyone other than to the Court of Appeals.
Martinez: Well, I think that this involves a third party. They should probably be heard on that issue; but if that is the ruling that goes to the Court of Appeals, someone should perhaps tell their lawyer that’s where it is.
Court: Right. I told the lawyer for the media that I needed to speak to you and get any objection to providing the transcript.
Martinez: No, I have no objection to the transcript being provided.
Nurmi: Not to the Court of Appeals. Obviously our concern is it getting out to the media in any way, shape or form.
God forbid Jodi looks like an idiot in front of the public. She’s already on trial for murder – how much worse can it get? In her closed hearing the defense team complained on her behalf that she gets nervous talking to the court and she’s in fear for her safety. In fear for her safety? She’s on trial facing the death penalty. Yes, I would say her safety is already at stake and their argument is ridiculous.
TO SEE A COPY OF THAT SEALED HEARING, WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENTLY RELEASED CLICK HERE.
Nurmi: So the attorneys for KPNX to be instructed it is also under seal and only being created for the limited purposes of a special action.
Court: Okay. So, Randy, you want to go out and see if the attorney is still out in the hallway. I will ask court staff to contact the attorney and give him an opportunity if he wants to be present. Otherwise, we will tell him that the intention is we will provide a sealed transcript directly to the Court of Appeals. If he wants to be heard on that issue, he can come down and have a hearing on Monday. We are at recess.
They return from break…
Willmott: Jodi, when we took a break, we were talking about what happened after Bobbie choked you and what your brother did?
Willmott: How… are you aware whether or not your brother did anything after that?
Willmott: How were you aware of that?
Jodi: One of my family members told me. I think it might have been my parents and also Bobbie told me.
Willmott: Bobbie told you later?
Willmott: What is it that you learned that happened?
Jodi: My brother and a group of his friends confronted him. They went to his house. They knocked on his door and they went out there and confronted him.
Willmott: When they confronted him… did they beat him up or what happened?
Jodi: I don’t know dialogue or anything, but their intention was to go there to intimidate him somehow.
Willmott: Is that because of what he did to you?
Jodi: Yes, right.
Willmott: And what… do you know based on what Bobbie told you what he did?
Willmott: What did Bobbie do?
Jodi: He got a sword and he… he knows how to wield it. So he came out there and started swinging it around and scared them off.
Ok, seriously. A sword?? Who are these people? Here’s what I think happened, and of course this is speculation. I think that Jodi and Bobbie did have a heated fight. There may have been some physical scuffling involved, or not, but I don’t believe Jodi when she says that Bobbie choked her out of the blue. I tend to think, knowing her penchant for going off the deep end, she embellished the physicality of their argument to gain sympathy from her family and to prompt Carl to act. Threats are her specialty, so if she wasn’t happy with Bobbie, having her brother threaten him seems right up her alley.
Willmott: Okay. At this point in time in your relationship, is that… was that… how did you feel about your relationship after that?
Jodi: Well, at this time… this is around the time the whole relationship just began to fall apart for good, not permanently yet; but it was coming close to that point.
Yes, I would imagine a choking, leading to a 911 call, leading to a sword fight, would be a bit of a downer in most relationships. Does she realize how ridiculous this sounds? She doesn’t sound like a woman who is conflicted by an abuser – she sounds like a scammer who is playing everyone like puppets.
Willmott: And what did you do about that? How is it that it fell apart?
Jodi: Well, there was that incident; and I did go to Costa Rica to heal from things. Also, I ended up moving to Santa Maria to sort of get away from everything.
Willmott: When you say you moved to Santa Maria, tell us again, this is from Yreka to Santa Maria?
Jodi: Yes, back to Santa Maria.
Willmott: About how far apart is that?
Jodi: I’m guessing about 600 miles. I just know it takes all day long to drive.
Willmott: When you moved to Santa Maria, did you stay with… who do you stay with?
Jodi: I stayed with a friend of mine that I had made friends with down there.
Willmott: And what did you do when you were down there?
Jodi: I got a job and began working.
Willmott: Where did you get a job at?
Willmott: During this time did Bobbie contact you at all?
Jodi: Yeah, he continued to contact me.
Willmott: Was that by phone?
Jodi: Right, by phone.
Willmott: Did he ever come to visit you?
Jodi: Yes. He did come to Santa Maria with me at one time.
Willmott: And did you consider yourself dating him anymore?
Jodi: We were still dating. I don’t know where we were going, but we were still seeing each other.
Willmott: And if you were still dating, why did you move to Santa Maria?
Jodi: Well, like I said, we were constantly breaking up and getting back together and breaking up. He would always say it was over. It is over and he would call me back again. He would apologize or whatever. He was dramatic.
Willmott: All right. So about how long did you stay in Santa Maria?
Jodi: How long, only like two months.
Willmott: Okay. What happened to Bobbie during those two months?
Jodi: He ended up moving to Medford, Oregon which is about 50 miles north of Yreka.
Willmott: 50 miles north of Yreka?
Willmott: Okay. And when he moved to Medford, where was he living just generally?
Jodi: He started living with a friend that he reconnected with.
Willmott: At this point did Bobbie finally get a job?
Jodi: He finally managed to get a job.
Willmott: So was he working in Medford then?
Jodi: Yes, he was.
Willmott: During this time you said that you were still in contact with him?
Willmott: At a certain point did you leave Santa Maria?
Willmott: Why is that?
Jodi: It was harder than I thought it would be financially. So I moved back to Yreka to be with my grandma. I wasn’t in Santa Maria very long.
Her grandparent’s house is her default place to fall back to when times get hard. If she doesn’t have a man to stay with, she goes back to that room.
Willmott: You said you moved in with your grandma?
Willmott: Why not in with your parents?
Jodi: I didn’t want to go back to that environment. My parents and I were getting along better now that we weren’t interacting so much. Our relationship improved somewhat after I moved out.
Willmott: When you didn’t have constant contact with them?
Jodi: Right. When I wasn’t living with them under the same roof, seeing them all the time under their rules. They didn’t… they were nicer and I just didn’t have… I don’t know. It was just better between us. Everything improved when I moved out.
I believe Jodi when she says that escaping “their rules” was the key to her happiness. Jodi doesn’t want to live by anybody’s rules. If somebody’s abusing you, just moving out doesn’t solve the problem. Obviously her problem was them trying to parent her. And not having to answer to them or be disciplined by them surely was a source of relief for her. I’m sure it was a source of relief for them too, based on what they said to Detective Flores at the police station.
The only reason she was staying in that tiny dump of a bedroom at her grandparent’s house was because she couldn’t afford to live on her own, and she could come and go and have her freedom. But the four walls of that room moved in on her every time she went back, and she was never there long before she got the itch to move out again. But her finances were continually a burden. The only way out for her – permanently – was to find a man to support her. For the most part, Travis had the ability to do that. She wasn’t just obsessed with Travis; she was desperate for him to change her life. In her disturbed mind, he ruined everything for her and she responded in a monstrous way.
Willmott: When you came back to Yreka, was that… is that why you moved in with your grandma?
Jodi: Right, and my grandmother and I have always gotten along.
Willmott: Was your grandfather still alive at that time?
Jodi: Yeah, both of my grandparents were there.
Willmott: All right. And what did you do… how long did you stay in Yreka?
Jodi: Well, not long.
Jodi: I don’t remember exactly.
Willmott: You don’t remember exactly?
Jodi: Yeah, I was there during the holidays; but I may have just been there for the holidays. I wasn’t there long.
Willmott: And at this point in time is Bobbie still contacting you?
Jodi: Yes, we are still hanging out.
Notice Willmott constantly positions her questioning as Bobbie chasing Jodi. It can’t be Jodi contacting him because that falls in line with her being the aggressor, and as we know with Travis, the stalker. They have to paint the picture that Jodi is being pursued. But in actuality, there is a pattern of Jodi following her boyfriends around after they’ve broken up. She and Bobbie were on the outs, and she followed him to Oregon, as you’ll see in this next section. She and Victor were broken up, yet she traveled all the way to Costa Rica – she claims to see his family, but let’s be real – she went there for him. And of course, we know she moved to Mesa, AZ, from CA, after she and Travis broke up. There is a clear pattern that she can’t let go. She’s frequently interjecting herself into the lives of these men. Willmott is running interference and trying to squash any inferences to prior stalking the jury may make.
Willmott: And because of that, do you meet… do you know who his roommate is?
Willmott: Did you get to meet his roommate?
Jodi: I did.
Willmott: Did you become friends with this roommate?
Willmott: What was his roommate’s name?
Jodi: His name is Matt McCartney.
Willmott: And because of meeting Mr. McCartney, did you also meet his family?
Willmott: And at the time are you living at your grandparents house still?
Jodi: For a brief time and then I moved.
Willmott: So the time that you are living at your grandparents’ house, did you also see Mr. McCartney’s family?
Jodi: Right. I befriended his sister and her children.
Willmott: And at some point in time you said you moved from Yreka. Where did you go?
Jodi: I moved in with Matt’s family also. He had family all along that whole interstate area from Yreka to Medford he had family. I moved in with his family.
So this is the friend of her boyfriend who she just recently met. She weasels her way into his family’s life and moves in with them while barely knowing them. This to me shows her prowess at manipulation. She quickly won these people over so much so that they opened up their home to her – a stranger – and rent free!
Willmott: And why did you do that?
Jodi: Well, in that area where there are more cities, there are more job opportunities and also I was able to… I was hired right away at Applebee’s in Medford because I had prior experience with that company.
Willmott: So when you moved in with Matt’s family, where are we talking about? Actually in Medford?
Jodi: It is in a city Phoenix, Oregon.
Willmott: Phoenix, Oregon?
Willmott: Where is Phoenix, Oregon in comparison to Medford?
Jodi: I would say 15… well, probably 10 miles south, maybe.
Willmott: And what was the point of you moving in with Matt’s family?
Jodi: Well, there was no rent. They took me in to get on my feet so I can get a job and be in an area where there were jobs available.
Willmott: Were there more jobs available in Medford than in Yreka?
Jodi: Much more and in the industry I was in there is more money to be made than in Yreka.
Willmott: So you began working in Applebee’s in Medford?
Willmott: All right. At a certain point did… did you and Bobbie stop contacting… did he stop contacting you?
Jodi: Yeah, he did.
Willmott: At what point did this happen?
Jodi: I don’t remember the exact date. It was in 1999. The sword was mine so he… I just remember he liked and held onto it, but then one day he put them out on the porch where he was living and he gave them to me. Didn’t say a word and he just shut the door and that was it. Matt couldn’t explain his behavior. He didn’t want to talk to me.
So Jodi moves in with her boyfriend’s friend’s family – another guy’s family – and she’s not sure why her boyfriend no longer wants to speak with her. Possibly because she’s sleeping with his friend? Is Matt a ploy to make Bobbie jealous, or does she want her cake and eat it too – have both guys to mess around with. See which guy ends up being the better deal? Obviously Matt is the better deal because he has a job. So it looks like she just upgraded.
And she drops the bombshell that the sword he previously wielded at her brother and his friends belongs to HER. And she then changes it to plural as she’s answering Willmott’s question. Why does Jodi own swords? Not exactly a normal thing for a 20-something girl who’s bopping around from home to home.
Willmott: Bobbie didn’t want to talk to you?
Jodi: Right. I thought that was the end but we ended up talking one last time again. At that point I can’t remember how we had our last contact. I don’t remember that but it was toward the end…
Willmott: It was pretty much over?
Jodi: It was done, yeah. We weren’t…
Willmott: Did Bobbie eventually move away from Matt?
Jodi: I think they moved out of the studio apartment they were sharing at the time. They found separate places.
Willmott: In the meantime are you friends with Matt?
Willmott: And you are still friends with his family?
Willmott: And are you still staying with his family in Phoenix?
Willmott: And are you working at Applebee’s at this time?
Willmott: At a certain point in time did you and Matt become involved in a relationship?
Jodi: Yes, later on we did.
Willmott: And when you say “later on”, what do you mean?
Jodi: Well, not too later on. I would say a few months later we were seeing each other.
Willmott: A few months later?
Willmott: And a few months later than what?
Jodi: Gosh, a few months after Bobbie and I stopped communicating.
Willmott: Okay. And at the time that you and Matt had started in a dating relationship, how long had you been friends about?
Jodi: I would say maybe 3 or 4 months.
Willmott: And then you start this dating relationship?
Willmott: And are you still working at Applebee’s in Medford?
Willmott: Did you and Matt move in together?
Jodi: We did.
Willmott: Where did that happen?
Jodi: In Medford.
Willmott: During the time when you started dating Matt, what kind of relationship was that? What were your common interests?
Jodi: Well, I have always considered myself a spiritual person. He was into that too, just different ways we connected on that level. We went to meditation seminars and things like that. It was a good relationship, I think.
Willmott: Did you find you had things in common then?
Jodi: Yeah, we did. He was also in Martial Arts. I had taken that as well with my brother. That was another common interest.
Willmott: Did you do Martial Arts together?
Jodi: We did.
Willmott: Did you ever take Martial Arts classes from anybody?
Willmott: With Matt?
Jodi goes on to talk about how Matt explored different religions and she was raised Christian. She states initially their spiritual discussions were odd for her. But he was exploring Hinduism and together they started getting in to new age type of stuff. The religion issue with Jodi, and the fact that she’s constantly changing her ideals, shows she’s not tied to anything. She doesn’t truly believe in anything. She jumps from religion to religion to satisfy a goal that has nothing to do with spirituality. It has everything to do with satisfying her man and securing her position in his life.
Willmott: As far as your relationship was concerned, we talked about Bobbie not having a job when you were with him. How was it with Matt? How did he treat you in that sense?
Jodi: With Matt he was working. He had a stable job. Wasn’t a lot of money, but he was responsible with his money mostly; and he paid for his half of things mostly, and he treated me a lot differently than Bobbie did.
Willmott: How is it that he treated you differently?
Jodi: He was polite. He was a gentleman. He was a little more chivalrous. He was nice.
Willmott: Was he respectful?
Jodi: He was respectful.
Willmott: At a certain time… how long altogether were you with Matt?
Jodi: About a year and eight months roughly, close to two years but not quite.
Willmott: All right. And when you were dating Matt, was there a time when you left your job at Applebee’s?
Willmott: Where did you go?
Jodi: Matt and I moved to Crater Lake, Oregon.
Willmott: And where is Crater Lake, Oregon?
Jodi: It is 70 miles northeast of Ashland and southeast of Medford, I think. I mean, it is east. It is kind of the… in the middle of nowhere in the mountains.
Jodi describes the area as being a national park and resort-like. They moved there for seasonal work, waiting tables. They had dorm style living arrangements and she and Matt shared a room. They made some money and then moved back to Medford when they were done. Jodi resumed her job at Applebee’s.
Willmott: What happened during the second season? Did you go back up to Crater Lake?
Jodi: No. The second season came close and Matt and I decided to have space between us. By then we weren’t getting along… we were getting along. There was a little more argument in our relationship. It wasn’t as happy anymore. We decided to spend time apart.
Willmott: When you are spending time apart, did you consider yourself broken up?
Jodi: We were not broken up. We just needed space, not living together. It was like kind of a trial period. We were still together on the weekends. He still came to my apartment. I moved to Ashland and we were still together.
Ok, who’s having flashbacks to Ross and Rachel… we were on a break? You can see where this is going. First, Jodi being consistent with her behavior – she repeatedly sleeps with guys who she’s broken up with/not getting along with. Obviously using sex to keep him in the picture, hence, the weekend visits.
And as you’ll see in the paragraphs ahead, Matt, according to Jodi, cheats on her. She can’t fathom any of her men being with other women, even when they’re broken up. Which, ok, I’ll give her that. Jealousy is not an abnormal response. BUT, Jodi’s responses are never normal. She can’t simply have the emotion and go on her way. That jealousy, and lack of control, and rejection, incites her and seems to ignite her disordered side.
Willmott: Why did you move to Ashland?
Jodi: Ashland is where I always wanted to be. It is a little more expensive because it is kind of a little touristy town, but I found a good deal on some apartment listing online; and I applied for it and I got the apartment.
Willmott: Were you working at Applebee’s still in Medford?
Willmott: And so during the second season, where did Matt go?
Jodi: He went to Crate Lake for the soon.
Willmott: And you stayed in Ashland?
Jodi: I did.
Willmott: At some point in time, was there… was there a break-up in your relationship?
Willmott: What happened?
Jodi: I found out that he was seeing somebody at Crater Lake. So…
Willmott: How did you find that out?
Jodi: Some people who work at Crater Lake told me. I didn’t know these people, but they recognized me because on the weekends that he didn’t come stay with me, I went and stayed with him.
Hmmm… so people that don’t know her decided to do Jodi a favor and notify her that the boyfriend she’s no longer living with is seeing another girl? Makes sense, right? I’ll go out on a limb here and will speculate that Jodi snooped and found out that Matt was seeing somebody else. Let’s not forget, “mystery women” also notified Jodi that Travis was seeing somebody else. And we know from the text messages that Travis was livid over her obvious mendacity.
Martinez objects. He wants to know how Jodi knows these people recognized her. The objection is sustained.
Willmott: Did people come and talk to you?
Jodi: They stopped me. I don’t know how…
Willmott: They stopped you. Did they know who you were?
Willmott: How do you know that?
Jodi: They said “Hi Jodi”
Willmott: Based on the fact that they called you by name, you were able to understand that they knew you?
Willmott: You were at Applebee’s at the time?
Willmott: So they stopped you as you were walking by you said?
Willmott: And what happened?
Jodi: I asked them how… I asked them if I knew them. Maybe I didn’t remember them from something. They said, “We work at Crater Lake”. I said “Oh, that’s great”. I knew they were there and they knew Matt and that’s how they knew me, and I just said “hi” kind of thing and I continued on and kept working and…
Willmott: Did you eventually learn that Matt was seeing somebody?
Jodi: Before they left, I stopped by their table one more time and they told me.
Willmott: They told you?
Jodi: Yeah, they said they took a vote and they decided to tell me.
Willmott: I’m sorry?
Jodi: They said “We took a vote and decided to tell you”
Willmott: Prior to that, were you at Matt’s dad house ever?
Jodi: What do you mean by ever? I have been there.
Willmott: That’s a good question. Prior to that, did you ever see a picture of Matt and a girl at Crater Lake?
Jodi: I did. I was at Matt’s dad house hanging out with his girlfriend, and we were on the computer and we were looking at photos and there were photos of a girl with… the file name was just of B. That was the initial maybe. The file names were B, B1, B2, B3 and that kind of thing.
Willmott: Where was the picture taken? Can you tell?
Jodi: Yes, I could tell it was in the lodge. It is called the great hall, the lodge of the dining room.
Willmott: Could you tell whether or not it was a current picture, like from that particular season?
Jodi: That I couldn’t tell. I didn’t look at the date, time stamp. It looked current.
Willmott: So based on that and then you have these people talk to you at Applebee’s after that?
Jodi: Yes, this occurred after that. It made me put the two together but not right away but, yeah.
Willmott: Tell me what happened when you find out that Matt is seeing somebody.
Jodi: I asked them a few more questions. Oh, I asked them what her name was. They said it was Bianca and so that’s when I put the two together.
Willmott: The B and Bianca?
Jodi: Yeah, they said Bianca. I didn’t know her. It was slow. I asked my boss to leave early and…
Willmott: Why did you ask your boss to leave early?
Jodi: So I can go there and find out if it was true.
Willmott: So you were going to drive all the way up to Crater Lake?
Willmott: How long of a drive is that?
Jodi: It is 70 miles.
Willmott: So it is a little over an hour?
Jodi: Well, it is through the mountains. It takes roughly an hour and a half I think if I remember correctly.
Willmott: Did you do that? Did you drive up there?
Jodi: Yes, I did.
Willmott: And was Matt in Crater Lake at this time?
Jodi: No. He was in Borango Springs during that time.
Willmott: What is that?
Jodi: Borrego Springs is… it is either a city, I think. I have never actually been there. It is in Southern California near San Diego, and he was trying to get seasonal work during the winter at a resort there.
Willmott: Okay. So you are driving up. What is your purpose when you are driving up there?
Jodi: I wanted to see if… I wanted to ask Bianca if that was true. I didn’t know these people. If it is true, I obviously don’t want to continue in a relationship with Matt. If it is not true, then… I don’t know who these people are. So I didn’t want to just take their word for it.
If your red flag warnings aren’t going off yet, they should be. There is nothing normal about first confronting the supposed other woman before discussing it with your boyfriend… unless you are looking for trouble! Especially if your source is total strangers. She knew Matt was out of town and she chose to confront this woman rather than talk to him. She was going there to harass Bianca, not have a chat with her.
Willmott: Okay. So what happens when you get up there? What did you do?
Jodi: I went to the dorm on the top of the mountain, and I just walked in. I mean, people are everywhere.
Willmott: So it is something that you can just walk in?
Jodi: Yea, right.
Willmott: And were you able to find who this Bianca was?
Jodi: I did.
Willmott: And was she in… was she in a room or something?
Jodi: She was in her dorm.
Willmott: Okay. And did you go and knock on her door?
Willmott: When you knocked on her door, are you yelling at her?
Willmott: Are you causing a scene in any way?
Willmott: Were you pounding on her door to let you in?
Jodi: No. I knocked loudly so she could hear, but I wasn’t pounding.
Willmott: Did she come to the door?
Jodi: She and a friend came to the door.
Willmott: So tell us what happened.
Jodi: The friend took off and she let me in. She said she knew who I was. I guess she said she knew me…
Willmott: Jodi, I can’t hear you.
Jodi: I’m sorry. She let me in. We got talking. I asked her and she said…
Willmott: You asked her what?
Jodi: Well, I said I heard that… I don’t remember my exact words but I asked her about her and Matt and she pretty much confirmed for me…
Willmott: What did you do? (they adjust sound as Jodi is hard to hear)
Willmott: Okay. So she confirms for you that Matt is actually seeing her? Is that what you just said?
Willmott: Okay. How did you feel?
Jodi: Well, at the time… I’m in her home. I’m not going to freak out or anything.
Willmott: Inside. We are talking about inside. How did you feel?
Jodi: I didn’t feel good. I mean, I felt very deceived obviously. He is still sleeping with me. He is still coming to my house on the weekends. You know, we are going places. I mean, physically going places… not in our relationship obviously. So it hurt. I was very hurt.
Willmott: How did you handle that situation with Bianca after she confirms it?
Jodi: I just… I asked her like how long it had been going on, and she told me that. She said they had not slept together, but they were romantic; and they saw each other often and hung out; spent the night with each other, that sort of thing.
Willmott: Did you do anything to her?
Jodi: No. No.
Willmott: Did you start yelling at her then?
Jodi: I never yelled at her.
Willmott: Did you have any kind of angry words with her at all?
Jodi: No, not at all. She didn’t even know we were still together. She was under the impression we were broken up. I didn’t blame her for anything, you know?
Willmott: So what did you do after… what did you do after that with Matt with your relationship?
Jodi: At that point I waited for Matt to get back to Borago Springs. I think he was coming back the next day. So I went over to where he was staying at his dad’s at that point and confronted him.
Willmott shows the court a picture of Jodi and Matt around late 2001/early 2002.
Willmott: You said… you said this could have been taken after you broke up?
Jodi: I know it was taken after we broke up because that is at the Monterey Bay Aquarium, and he moved to Montana after I did.
Willmott: That begs the question: Were you friends with him after you broke up?
Willmott: So tell us how is it that this relationship ended.
Jodi: There were tears and he cried. I cried. It was difficult.
Willmott: Did you break up with him?
Jodi: Well, it just seemed… I don’t know that one person really broke up with the other. It is just that the relationship was over. He was seeing somebody else, you know. Obviously he was… he had moved on in some way because he was seeing somebody else, but we just were no longer together at that point.
Willmott: Okay. Now, at this point in time, you are staying in Ashland?
Jodi: Yes, I was living in Ashland at that point.
Jodi explains how the Martial Arts instructor that at one time taught her and Matt also lived in Ashland with his girlfriend. His girlfriend’s brother, Richard Molay, is the one who gave her a reference for a job at Ventana Inn in Big Sur, CA. Richard was working there at the time. Big Sur is an exclusive and expensive area to live on the coast.
Willmott: As far as when we talk about you progressing. In going… working from the Purple Plum to Denny’s to Applebee’s, those type of places, how does Ventana Inn fit into this?
Jodi: I would say it is the nicest place I ever worked.
Willmott: And as far as money was concerned, was it good financially for you?
Willmott: You got hired to do what?
Jodi: I was waiting tables there as well.
This was at the end of 2001. Jodi eventually moved in to their employee housing. There was a two week wait to get in so in the meantime she stayed in the campground on their property. Matt stayed with her for those two weeks. So after he cheats on her, and they are broken up, she’s still sleeping with him. When she moved into the housing, he stayed at the campground. Matt was eventually hired at Ventana Inn as well but maintained his own housing, while Jodi lived with other roommates. She states they were just friends but there was some brief lingering intimacy. He left the following spring. Jodi worked there for three and a half years. She made friends there, including Richard Molay, the guy who helped to hook her up with the job. She also ended up being a part time hiking guide through a man she met there, Steve Copeland. They would take guests on hikes through their trails on the property.
Willmott establishes that Daryl Brewer was the Food and Beverage Director, and he was the one who hired Jodi. Jodi states that they did not socialize at first.
Willmott: At what point did that change?
Jodi: Well, at one point he decided to step down from that position so he could spend more time with his son; and we were interested in each other at that point. We had a conversation that we discovered that. So we sort of began to date.
Willmott: Tell us a little bit more about Mr. Brewer. He was the food and beverage director. How old was he at the time that you…
Jodi: At the time he was 42.
Willmott: So was he older than you?
Willmott: Quite a bit?
Jodi: Quite a bit.
Willmott: Was he married?
Jodi: He was divorced.
Jodi states his divorce was civil but he had some bitterness about it. She claims they worked together a little over a year before they began dating. At that time, he was no longer her boss or anybody else’s boss. He was working as a lead server which provided him more flexibility in his schedule. She talks about how they eventually dated. They had football in common. One of their first dates was the 49ers game. They also liked to camp. Daryl’s son would visit him on the weekends. Jodi says that at first, she was not a big presence in his life so she didn’t meet him right away.
Willmott: When you first started dating Mr. Brewer, what was your understanding about the type of relationship that you were going to have with regard to marriage?
Jodi: There would be no marriage in the relationship. That was my…
Willmott: Why did you have that understanding?
Jodi: Well, when we first began dating, he was very mature about it. He just told me “Look, I don’t ever want to get married again. I didn’t see myself having a girlfriend, but I like you if you are okay with that. We can be together.” And I was okay with it at that time.
It sounds like she viewed Daryl as a stepping stone. A way to have somebody provide for her until a better option came along. The Mormon Church, its stable of single men, and Travis – all were a better option for Jodi. And regardless of her commitments to Daryl, she dropped him and their house like a hot potato when her prospects improved.
Willmott: How old were you at this time?
Willmott: Eventually does he start bringing his son around when you were there too?
Willmott: Do you become involved with his son?
Willmott: In what way?
Jodi: We begin going out on the weekends and doing things together. Sometimes his son came with us camping. We would go to the beach. We would go to the aquarium, the park, just different things.
Willmott shows pictures of Jodi with Daryl and his son. Juan asks that they lay some foundation as to when the photographs were taken.
Willmott: Jodi, one of the things that I don’t think we really talked about yet is photography.
Willmott: Did you like to take photos?
Jodi: I did.
Willmott: Tell us a little bit about your… your…
Willmott: Yeah, your love, your interest in photography.
Jodi: Yes. I came interested in photography when I was very young. I got my first camera… it was either Christmas or birthday. It was a birthday present when I was 10 and that sparked my interest. I just progressed with that and continued to be interested in that.
Willmott: You continued what?
Jodi: To be interested in that.
Willmott: As you got older, did you continue with your… did you get more serious as a photographer?
Jodi: I did.
Willmott: In what way?
Jodi: I decided to make it a profession, and so I invested in a nicer camera. I began to… I bought nicer software for photo editing, and I began to photograph weddings, portraits, things like that.
Willmott: At the time you were dating Mr. Brewer, was that something that you were… were you interested in photography at the time that you were dating Mr. Brewer?
Jodi: Yes, right.
Willmott: When you were dating Mr. Brewer, did you ever go to… on trips with Mr. Brewer and his son?
Willmott: Did you ever go to Mount San Jacinto?
Willmott: Do you remember approximately when that was?
Jodi: That was after we moved to Palm Desert because that is right next to Palm Springs. You take the tram straight up into the mountain.
Willmott: When approximately? When did you move to Palm Desert?
Jodi: We moved there in 2005.
Willmott: After 2005?
Jodi: It was either in 2005 or the year after. I believe it was that winter.
Willmott: Judge, I move for admission of 695.
695 is a photo of Jodi with Daryl and son while they were on vacation. They had been dating for about 3 years at the time it was taken. Jodi also mentions that she attended birthday parties for his son and they enter exhibit 694 which is a picture of the three of them at Chuck E. Cheese’s.
Willmott: Let’s go back in time a little bit. We were talking about when you first started dating Mr. Brewer. Is there… how long were you dating when you were living in staff housing?
Jodi: I think that shortly after we began dating, he moved to Monterey. The whole point was to be closer to his son, and his mother lived in Carmel; and he moved to Monterey.
Willmott: What is the difference between Monterey and Big Sur?
Jodi: Monterey is a city. Big Sur is more just a region.
Willmott: I mean distance. Sorry.
Jodi: It takes roughly an hour to get there because you have to drive kind of slow on the winding road. It is about 30 miles south.
Willmott: And so soon after you started dating, you said he moved to Monterey?
Willmott: Did that interrupt your dating at all?
Jodi: No. I’d stay with him on the weekends.
Willmott: I’m sorry?
Jodi: We had the same days off. I would stay with him on the weekends.
Willmott: Did you go up to Monterey to stay with him?
Willmott: And at this point in time when you were staying with him on the weekends is… how old were you at this point?
Jodi: 23, 24.
Willmott: So are we in … 2003?
Willmott: And just so we have parameters, about how long were you dating Mr. Brewer altogether?
Jodi: Roughly, close to four years. We were just shy of four years.
Willmott: Is there a point in time when you left staff housing at Ventana?
Willmott: When did that happen?
Jodi: I’m trying to remember the exact year. It was close to 2005. Maybe in late ’04, but I moved… I moved to Monterey because…
Because… she was yet again, going after the man she wanted. Moving closer to him to make sure she kept him engaged. Under normal circumstances, this wouldn’t be odd for a woman to want to be closer to her boyfriend. But with Jodi, it’s a continuing pattern of her having no life of her own – just up and moving wherever the man is – following the opportunity trail.
Willmott: Why did you move to Monterey?
Jodi: My boss changed my schedule, and I wasn’t making as much money anymore.
Willmott: How is it that you aren’t making as much money because your boss changed your schedule?
Jodi: Well, I got into construction on the hours in the morning, and at night I worked in the restaurant. So at night is where the money is at the restaurant. It is dinner. The gratuities and tips are more, and the construction job was good money as well.
Willmott: Jodi, what did you do for construction?
Jodi: Well, I was the labor foreperson.
Willmott: What does that mean?
Jodi: I helped keep the labor ready crew on task to make sure they were doing what they wanted to do.
Willmott: So was that additional income for you?
Willmott: What happened then with your change in schedule?
Jodi: He changed my schedule to the daytime, so I could no longer work the construction, and I wasn’t making the money at night. I was just working lunch. So the employment… my housing was contingent on my employment. I needed to make more money. So I moved to town to find different work.
Willmott: Did you quit Ventana at that point?
Jodi: Shortly thereafter I gave my notice once I found an apartment.
Willmott: You gave your notice and you moved to Monterey. Were you living with Mr. Brewer?
Willmott: You lived by yourself?
Willmott: What did you do in Monterey?
Jodi: I began… Daryl gave me a reference at a restaurant where he used to work. It was in Carmel. I started tending bar there, and I also began tending bar at another restaurant that I helped open in Monterey.
Willmott: Were you working two jobs at the same time you mean?
Willmott: You were still dating Mr. Brewer?
Jodi: Yes, I was.
Willmott: How long were you in Monterey?
Jodi: Oh, I don’t know, about a year maybe, roughly. I’m trying to remember. I moved from Ventana to Monterey, and eventually Daryl and I decided to move to Southern California.
Willmott: And while you were in Monterey, did you keep working those two jobs?
Jodi: Well, not for long. The schedules were conflicting so I let one job go and kept one job.
Willmott: And after the time in Monterey, does there come a time when you move…
Willmott: … you said and why is it that you move?
Jodi: Darryl’s ex-wife remarried and moved to La Quinta which is in the Palm Springs area. Southern California. So Darryl and I decided we would like to buy a house and invest. So we were unable to afford property in this area because it is very expensive. So we decided to move up to the Sacramento area, and we made an offer on a home. It got accepted and…
Willmott: Did you end up moving into Sacramento?
Jodi: We didn’t.
Willmott: It didn’t work out?
Jodi: No. Darryl decided that he would… he didn’t want to keep his son far apart from his mom because we were going to keep his son with us full-time.
Willmott: And… but did that end up happening? Did his son end up staying with you full-time?
Jodi: No. We decided to come down to the area where she was which was Palm Desert. He continued… they continued on the same schedule where she had him about roughly four days a week, and he had him three days a week or you know. Sorry.
Willmott: Okay. So at the time you guys move, are you starting to become interested in real estate?
Jodi: Yes, well I was.
Willmott: You were?
Willmott: What year is this about?
Jodi: Well, I had been interested in real estate for years but…
Willmott: You had been what?
Jodi: Interested in real estate for years, but I didn’t have any money to invest. So…
Willmott: What did you do with your interest in real estate?
Jodi: I took classes at the Monterey Peninsula College; read up on it sort of thing; followed real estate trends and prices.
Willmott: I’m sorry. What year was this about?
Jodi: The year that I took the classes would have been 2003 or 2004.
Willmott: The year that you moved to Palm Desert?
Willmott: In 2005 what was going on in real estate generally speaking at that point in time?
Jodi: It was booming at that point in time.
Willmott: And what is it that you and Daryl or Mr. Brewer were trying to do by buying a house?
Jodi: We were going to invest in a house; hang on to it for two years and flip it… not flip it in that sense. We wanted to hold on to it for two years with the hope it would increase in value and sell it and buy another house or more property.
This was a short term venture for her to make some money, and be on her merry way when the time was right. The future was looking up for her.
Willmott: Were you able to buy a house in Palm Desert?
Willmott: And distance-wise, did that keep Mr. Brewer close to his son?
Willmott: You know, besides real estate classes, did you take any other classes?
Willmott: What other classes did you take?
Jodi: I continued my Spanish education. I took college classes there as well, same place.
Jodi goes on to talk about the home they bought, which was built in the 70s and since remodeled. Jodi states she has good credit but Daryl has excellent credit so they were able to buy the house with no money down. She admits, a risky loan but they did it anyway. The bank required to see money in the bank before they could sell it to them so Jodi had $12,000 saved in the bank, but she didn’t use it towards the house. So she scored the man, the house, and got to keep her $12,000, which we know she eventually blew through because the house went into foreclosure. They were joint tenants, 50% ownership. They closed in June 2005. She took a job at California Pizza Kitchen in Palm Desert.
Willmott: So tell us about when you moved into the house. What was life like at that point?
Jodi: It was kind… it was exciting because it was my first house. There was a pool. We went shopping and got furniture. We didn’t go all out. We just had fun getting a brand new refrigerator, things like that.
Willmott: Was Mr. Brewer also working?
Jodi: He was, yes.
Willmott: Let’s talk about your mom and dad for a second. At this point in time did you have contact with them?
Jodi: Sporadically. We didn’t call each other a lot.
Willmott: Did you talk to your mom very often about your relationship with Mr. Brewer?
Jodi: Not really.
Willmott: For that matter, did you talk to her very often about your relationship with Matt McCartney?
Jodi: No, not really.
Willmott: So you said sporadic contact?
Jodi: Yeah, by the time I was in Palm Desert, we talked on the phone. I don’t remember how often, but it wasn’t really often.
Willmott: Was your mom at that point anyone you thought you could confide in?
Willmott: You didn’t have that type of relationship?
Jodi: We didn’t have that type of relationship.
Willmott: All right. And when you were in Palm Desert, what happened after your first year as far as the house is concerned?
Jodi: The house decreased in value. We weren’t… it wasn’t appreciating. The whole housing market was start to go crash at that point.
Willmott: So generally speaking, the housing market everywhere or what did you see going on?
Jodi: The housing market mostly everywhere. I’m sure there were some pockets in the country that were increasing still, but the whole housing market was coming down.
Willmott: What did that do then to your investment with Mr. Brewer?
Jodi: It made it more or less worthless.
Willmott: During that first year, did you two live together?
Willmott: Were you living this in that house?
Willmott: How often did his son come?
Jodi replies that he spent the whole summer and after that, the weekends. She describes her relationship with his son as a big sister/little brother type relationship. She was not involved in his parenting; she didn’t consider herself to be a mother figure. I guess we have that to be thankful for.
PART 4 WILL BE JODI’S NOVEMBER 3RD SECRET TESTIMONY.
6 Replies to “Breaking Down Jodi’s Secret Testimony – Part 3”
Looking forward to part 4 – I think your depictions of Arias are spot on. Clearly, Arias is manipulative, everything comes with a price, the beginning and endings, her motivations are obvious – especially as Willmott and Nurmi lead her down the path she has constructed. What is so pathetic about Willmott’s questioning is what, ignorance or naivety? I often wondered after seeing Willmott roll her eyes, smirk or shake her head when Juan would unravel Arias’ lies…does that woman NOT comprehend the evil weaver?
I get what you’re saying about the defence attorney’s, but, they did have a mountain to climb, and it turned out to be Everest after they had met the defendant. Can you imagine trying to tell Jodie, no one is going to buy the gas can return for example? Which i’m sure they would have and obviously refused to follow their advice and instructions. I think the defence did a great job as far as professionally speaking goes. They never really stood a chance due to the evidence and JM, But they saved her from the chair so to speak, which was the best she was ever likely to get and that seemed a million miles away at the outset, considering the States Case.
Great read! Totally correct about the evil one. She played games with all of the men in her life, bouncing from bed to bed, back to the old, on to the new, whenever it served her purpose. In ALL of her lies/stories she’s told there was always someone(s) that knew her to tell her things about “her” men, but she never knew them….smh….ALL lies! I noticed that when it came to her endless man hopping, she also had a pattern of moving in with someone(s) that lived in “expensive” areas and got jobs where she knew “wealthier” men frequented. Poor Travis 😦 She played him from the minute that she laid eyes on him. He didn’t stand a chance escaping the Evil Monster that she is. Unlike the other men in her past that weren’t settled into any specific location/have a permanent home, Travis had a permanent home and she knew at anytime she wanted to get at him, she could because there was no chance of him moving. 😦
I read this whole testimony earlier. My takeaway in addition to what Juan Martinez pointed out about the true endings of her relationships/stalking was:
From the age of 17 on Jodi jumped right into live in relationships with different men that all only lasted two years or so. She did have a pattern, obsessing over man after man after man. She had to be terribly frustrated she couldn’t just move in with Travis. That was her relationship pattern and Travis refused to follow it.
In her testimony re: Bobby choking her, she first says “…I was at my friend’s house. I forgot. I was living at this girl’s house, just staying there. I stayed there a few months. So at this point I’m at her house and… this is in Montague as well. He as over there visiting. There was no one else home, just him and I. We got into an argument.”
Then, after a few other questions, Willmont asks ” Jodi, let me ask you this: He just choked you and you followed him out?”
Jodi’s reply, “Well, we were in this house. The living room is right outside the bedroom. So you know… he went to the living room and I went to the living room.”
Which is it, was she at his house when he “choked” her and she called 911, or were they at this friends house that she was staying with? Just another inconsistent lie.
Does anyone else notice she and her bf are rocking the same eyebrow arching?